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					<description><![CDATA[Adam totally agree with you. WHO not remember the past are doomed to repeat THAT ANY ERRORS IN THE FUTURE. I think we all need to learn from past mistakes and try to take them into account in future]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam totally agree with you. WHO not remember the past are doomed to repeat THAT ANY ERRORS IN THE FUTURE. I think we all need to learn from past mistakes and try to take them into account in future</p>
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		By: J. RHOADS		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2016 06:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well said Adam. I also agree 100%. As far as money is concerned, I am one of those that believes that life goes on regardless of capitalist corporatism and feel that more people should commit themselves to caring for their fellow man as this is the highest calling possible. It&#039;s about cooperation not competition. Capitalists are little tiny dictators bent on some delusion of grandeur. And for this so-called free market with infinite growth. Well, it&#039;s over and it is never coming back. Get used to it. If people did what they loved more than worry about sucking up to some pig, this world would thrive. And for intellectual property rights. Forget it, it&#039;s obsolete thinking. If you can&#039;t give it away for free, it&#039;s not worth having. Who in their right mind would hold a good idea hostage for the sake of some delusional fantasy based on a ponzi scheme. It&#039;s narcissistic and idolatry. Richard Wolff and Peter Joseph are right!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Adam. I also agree 100%. As far as money is concerned, I am one of those that believes that life goes on regardless of capitalist corporatism and feel that more people should commit themselves to caring for their fellow man as this is the highest calling possible. It&#8217;s about cooperation not competition. Capitalists are little tiny dictators bent on some delusion of grandeur. And for this so-called free market with infinite growth. Well, it&#8217;s over and it is never coming back. Get used to it. If people did what they loved more than worry about sucking up to some pig, this world would thrive. And for intellectual property rights. Forget it, it&#8217;s obsolete thinking. If you can&#8217;t give it away for free, it&#8217;s not worth having. Who in their right mind would hold a good idea hostage for the sake of some delusional fantasy based on a ponzi scheme. It&#8217;s narcissistic and idolatry. Richard Wolff and Peter Joseph are right!</p>
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		By: Adam		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2013 08:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.adamspiers.org/2013/02/25/music-industry-learns-nothing-from-the-avid-sibelius-saga/#comment-88564&quot;&gt;Paul&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Paul :-)  Make sure to check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://ardour.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ardour&lt;/a&gt; before starting with Pro Tools!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.adamspiers.org/2013/02/25/music-industry-learns-nothing-from-the-avid-sibelius-saga/#comment-88564">Paul</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Paul 🙂  Make sure to check out <a href="http://ardour.org/" rel="nofollow">Ardour</a> before starting with Pro Tools!</p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 23:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi!
I started at the cellotranscription of Trane&#039;s solo , and as usual when something captures my attention, I follow the thread wherever it leads. I wasn&#039;t even aware of the Sibelius situation, so I&#039;m glad I didn&#039;t buy it, when I needed to get a chart done recently. I&#039;ve used Sibelius ( cracked) as well as Finale and find them both intuitive and easy to use, though I mostly work in Logic Pro, I tend to not use their notation bit at all, as I don&#039;t like the way it&#039;s made, for many reasons. Logic seems to be in the same dead-end though, as Sibelius now is, since Apple bought Logic from Emagic , only a few updates have been offered, and I hear it&#039;s now not being further developed as their freebee music software Garageband comes with every new Mac, and that seems to be enough for Apple, I guess I&#039;ll switch over to Protools. I will make sure to check out Lilypond and Musescore. 

Anyway, what I REALLY wanted to say is - great work on the transcription of Trane&#039;s solo, getting it on paper is one thing , but to actually play it is another. I&#039;m a guitarplayer and are working on one of his longer solos myself atm ( One up, One down - from live at the Halfnote ) it&#039;s 30 minutes long so I do have my work cut out for me :) All the best , and thx for the all info on software I didn&#039;t expect. / Paul]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!<br />
I started at the cellotranscription of Trane&#8217;s solo , and as usual when something captures my attention, I follow the thread wherever it leads. I wasn&#8217;t even aware of the Sibelius situation, so I&#8217;m glad I didn&#8217;t buy it, when I needed to get a chart done recently. I&#8217;ve used Sibelius ( cracked) as well as Finale and find them both intuitive and easy to use, though I mostly work in Logic Pro, I tend to not use their notation bit at all, as I don&#8217;t like the way it&#8217;s made, for many reasons. Logic seems to be in the same dead-end though, as Sibelius now is, since Apple bought Logic from Emagic , only a few updates have been offered, and I hear it&#8217;s now not being further developed as their freebee music software Garageband comes with every new Mac, and that seems to be enough for Apple, I guess I&#8217;ll switch over to Protools. I will make sure to check out Lilypond and Musescore. </p>
<p>Anyway, what I REALLY wanted to say is &#8211; great work on the transcription of Trane&#8217;s solo, getting it on paper is one thing , but to actually play it is another. I&#8217;m a guitarplayer and are working on one of his longer solos myself atm ( One up, One down &#8211; from live at the Halfnote ) it&#8217;s 30 minutes long so I do have my work cut out for me 🙂 All the best , and thx for the all info on software I didn&#8217;t expect. / Paul</p>
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		By: Michael		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 03:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In my experience, open formats are far more important than open vs. closed source for musicians who want to move their scores between programs, avoiding application lock-in. The MusicXML format is supported by over 160 programs. Finale, Sibelius, Cubase, and MuseScore all import and export MusicXML. LilyPond alas only imports MusicXML but does not export it. Commercial notation software vendors largely gave up on this type of lock-in years ago. Hopefully LilyPond will do so in the future.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience, open formats are far more important than open vs. closed source for musicians who want to move their scores between programs, avoiding application lock-in. The MusicXML format is supported by over 160 programs. Finale, Sibelius, Cubase, and MuseScore all import and export MusicXML. LilyPond alas only imports MusicXML but does not export it. Commercial notation software vendors largely gave up on this type of lock-in years ago. Hopefully LilyPond will do so in the future.</p>
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		By: Adam		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.adamspiers.org/2013/02/25/music-industry-learns-nothing-from-the-avid-sibelius-saga/#comment-67664&quot;&gt;David&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree that there is a lot of money in the music business in general; unfortunately only a tiny fraction of that is available for music notation, however my hunch is that there *would* be enough available for a free software notation solution which was on a par with Sibelius in all the areas considered important by most users (WYSIWYG, low learning curve, high quality playback etc.).  Part of my reasoning is that it would easily steal not just the Sibelius user base, but the Finale one too.

David, I mostly agree with your assessment of Daniel&#039;s response, although I believe there are flaws in his reasoning which I highlighted in my response - did you see that yet?  It was pending moderation until earlier today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.adamspiers.org/2013/02/25/music-industry-learns-nothing-from-the-avid-sibelius-saga/#comment-67664">David</a>.</p>
<p>I agree that there is a lot of money in the music business in general; unfortunately only a tiny fraction of that is available for music notation, however my hunch is that there *would* be enough available for a free software notation solution which was on a par with Sibelius in all the areas considered important by most users (WYSIWYG, low learning curve, high quality playback etc.).  Part of my reasoning is that it would easily steal not just the Sibelius user base, but the Finale one too.</p>
<p>David, I mostly agree with your assessment of Daniel&#8217;s response, although I believe there are flaws in his reasoning which I highlighted in my response &#8211; did you see that yet?  It was pending moderation until earlier today.</p>
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		By: David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;There is just not a lot of money going around in the music business.&quot; sounds a bit silly, considering the revenues of RIAA, GEMA and similar.  There _is_ a lot of money going around.  But a _lot_ of money is focused on purchase and maintenance of exclusive rights.  Fundamentally incompatible with Free Software.

I find Daniel&#039;s response to Adam&#039;s blog post well-reasoned.  Obviously the history of his team is catered to a particular style of programming, and the history of Steinberg to a particular style of marketing.

Again, he&#039;ll ultimately not be in control of his creations, like when working for Avid.  That&#039;s a high price to pay.  And the users of his new software will ultimately not be in control of their creations: if the software stops development at some point of time, nobody will have the right to port it to newer computers, so the music in a proprietary, likely binary format will cease to be usable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is just not a lot of money going around in the music business.&#8221; sounds a bit silly, considering the revenues of RIAA, GEMA and similar.  There _is_ a lot of money going around.  But a _lot_ of money is focused on purchase and maintenance of exclusive rights.  Fundamentally incompatible with Free Software.</p>
<p>I find Daniel&#8217;s response to Adam&#8217;s blog post well-reasoned.  Obviously the history of his team is catered to a particular style of programming, and the history of Steinberg to a particular style of marketing.</p>
<p>Again, he&#8217;ll ultimately not be in control of his creations, like when working for Avid.  That&#8217;s a high price to pay.  And the users of his new software will ultimately not be in control of their creations: if the software stops development at some point of time, nobody will have the right to port it to newer computers, so the music in a proprietary, likely binary format will cease to be usable.</p>
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		By: Janek Warchoł		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 18:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this post, Adam!  I fully agree with you.]]></description>
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		By: Adam		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.adamspiers.org/2013/02/25/music-industry-learns-nothing-from-the-avid-sibelius-saga/#comment-67651&quot;&gt;Ben&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the comments Ben.  I don&#039;t think you have to worry about monoculture in the F/OSS world - there is such a huge amount of energy going into innovation (not to mention the NIH syndrome) that any time a leader starts to lag, a rival will quickly pop up to whip it back into shape.  There are countless examples of this happening over the years.

Regarding rewrites, just because the Mozilla team is engaging in it, it doesn&#039;t prove that it&#039;s a good idea ;-)  Time will tell.

If you read &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.steinberg.net/2013/02/welcome/#comment-203&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Daniel Spreadbury&#039;s response&lt;/a&gt; to my blog post, you&#039;ll see that he lists several reasons why they did not start with Free Software; however I have also responded with counter-arguments.  In particular, even though they are of course field experts, he admits that they have deliberately not looked at the LilyPond or MuseScore code, therefore they are not currently able to accurately assess whether either would be a viable foundation for their new project.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.adamspiers.org/2013/02/25/music-industry-learns-nothing-from-the-avid-sibelius-saga/#comment-67651">Ben</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments Ben.  I don&#8217;t think you have to worry about monoculture in the F/OSS world &#8211; there is such a huge amount of energy going into innovation (not to mention the NIH syndrome) that any time a leader starts to lag, a rival will quickly pop up to whip it back into shape.  There are countless examples of this happening over the years.</p>
<p>Regarding rewrites, just because the Mozilla team is engaging in it, it doesn&#8217;t prove that it&#8217;s a good idea 😉  Time will tell.</p>
<p>If you read <a href="http://blog.steinberg.net/2013/02/welcome/#comment-203" rel="nofollow">Daniel Spreadbury&#8217;s response</a> to my blog post, you&#8217;ll see that he lists several reasons why they did not start with Free Software; however I have also responded with counter-arguments.  In particular, even though they are of course field experts, he admits that they have deliberately not looked at the LilyPond or MuseScore code, therefore they are not currently able to accurately assess whether either would be a viable foundation for their new project.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am a big advocate of FOSS; in my ideal world, I would love for my music notation software to have a GPL or similar license, whether or not it was free (as in beer). However, vendor lock-in is not the only danger in the software world. A monoculture is almost as bad. I know that we all want to advocate for our favorite platform or format, but competition stimulates growth and is good for the market. I love KHTML, but I am very worried that with Chrome, Safari, and (now) Opera all using it, it will cease to be quite so exemplary and fall back into mediocrity. On that note, I will point out that sometimes there are excellent reasons to develop from scratch: The Mozilla team is currently rewriting their rendering engine from the ground up to better utilize multi-core hardware, even though they have the code for one of the best options on the market. Basically, I don&#039;t think the situation could possibly be as simplistic as you describe it. I am confident that the Sibelius developers (who are acknowledged experts in their field) have very good reasons for doing things the way they are, whether or not those reasons line up with your priorities.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a big advocate of FOSS; in my ideal world, I would love for my music notation software to have a GPL or similar license, whether or not it was free (as in beer). However, vendor lock-in is not the only danger in the software world. A monoculture is almost as bad. I know that we all want to advocate for our favorite platform or format, but competition stimulates growth and is good for the market. I love KHTML, but I am very worried that with Chrome, Safari, and (now) Opera all using it, it will cease to be quite so exemplary and fall back into mediocrity. On that note, I will point out that sometimes there are excellent reasons to develop from scratch: The Mozilla team is currently rewriting their rendering engine from the ground up to better utilize multi-core hardware, even though they have the code for one of the best options on the market. Basically, I don&#8217;t think the situation could possibly be as simplistic as you describe it. I am confident that the Sibelius developers (who are acknowledged experts in their field) have very good reasons for doing things the way they are, whether or not those reasons line up with your priorities.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 11:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.adamspiers.org/2013/02/25/music-industry-learns-nothing-from-the-avid-sibelius-saga/#comment-67554&quot;&gt;Han-Wen&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Han-Wen, thanks for the reply, and even bigger thanks for LilyPond!  I noticed your very gracious message on Daniel&#039;s blog, which certainly does a lot to promote a positive image of the LilyPond community.  I also see Daniel has already replied to my blog, and I will reply to him now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.adamspiers.org/2013/02/25/music-industry-learns-nothing-from-the-avid-sibelius-saga/#comment-67554">Han-Wen</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Han-Wen, thanks for the reply, and even bigger thanks for LilyPond!  I noticed your very gracious message on Daniel&#8217;s blog, which certainly does a lot to promote a positive image of the LilyPond community.  I also see Daniel has already replied to my blog, and I will reply to him now.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Han-Wen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2013 10:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve tried making a living off music software, and so is David doing right now. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s very feasible in a free software setting. There is just not a lot of money going around in the music business.

I won&#039;t be using or endorsing Steinberg&#039;s new product, but I think the fact that the Sibelius programming team isn&#039;t going into automated-trading, website design or any other sort of mundane IT jobs a win by itself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve tried making a living off music software, and so is David doing right now. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s very feasible in a free software setting. There is just not a lot of money going around in the music business.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t be using or endorsing Steinberg&#8217;s new product, but I think the fact that the Sibelius programming team isn&#8217;t going into automated-trading, website design or any other sort of mundane IT jobs a win by itself.</p>
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